Meet VIA's New Fleet: The Siemens Venture
A Siemens Venture set, with cab car 2305 leading, prepares to depart Drummondville in December 2023.
In much of the world, the arrival of new trains is a
semi-regular occurrence. Much like other forms of transportation (airlines,
buses, transit systems), lifecycle replacement tends to happen on a reasonable
timeframe. For VIA Rail Canada, however, buying anything new has been a rare
occurrence. Thanks to the whims of government funding, the Crown Corporation
has long had to make do with second hand equipment, extensively rebuilt over
and over again to keep running into the modern era. The last truly new purpose
built passenger cars for VIA (also, funnily enough, the first after the Crown
corporation formed) were the LRCs, delivered to VIA in the 1980s. The
1990s-built second-hand Renaissance fleet are technically the newest on the
roster (with the exception of the 3 unique ex-BC Rail “Panorama” cars), but
those were built for service in the UK and Europe, and despite extensive work
to modify them and keep them operating, they have always struggled to adapt to
the Canadian operating environment.
So it was an incredibly exciting event when VIA was given
the go ahead and funding to buy an entirely new fleet of trains in 2018. After
a competitive procurement process with bids from three manufacturers (Siemens,
Bombardier, and Stadler), VIA Rail placed an order for 32 brand new bidirectional
trainsets from Siemens in late 2018. Siemens is rapidly becoming the leading
manufacturer of intercity passenger rail equipment in North America. Their
Cummins-powered “Charger” locomotive has been in use with Amtrak and several
commuter operators in the US, and are also on order for Montreal’s Exo. The
Siemens intercity passenger car platform, dubbed “Venture”, was first developed
for Florida’s Brightline service. Derived from Siemens’ European “Railjet”
trains and redesigned to meet North American standards, these passenger cars
feature a stainless steel carbody, a host of modern design elements, and a
number of flexible options for car layouts, including cab cars for
bidirectional operation. They can also be ordered as single cars, married
pairs, or full semi-permanently coupled trainsets.
Venture trains have been built for Brightline, Amtrak
Midwest, Caltrans, and now VIA. Amtrak has ordered a huge fleet of
Venture-based trainsets (dubbed “Airo”) to replace their Amfleet I fleet as
well as the Horizons and Talgos used on the Amtrak Cascades. Ontario Northland
has also ordered three Venture sets, tacked on to the end of the VIA production
line, for use on the restored Northlander passenger service. In the next
several years, a huge percentage of short to medium distance intercity train
travel in North America will use Siemens Venture trains.
When the full fleet is delivered, the Venture sets will
replace everything operating in the Quebec City – Windsor Corridor, including
the LRC, HEP2, and Renaissance fleets, as well as the P42 locomotives and the
group of F40s currently assigned to the Corridor. When fully in service, this
will offer (for the first time ever!) a uniform train experience across all VIA
trains in the Corridor. While this will mean less variety for railfans, it will
mean a much more consistent product for the travelling public.
A sign of things to come! Promos for the new fleet in Montreal. |
VIA Rail’s Venture sets are being delivered in fixed 5-car
semi-permanently coupled trainsets. In theory, these can be rearranged in the
future to make up different length sets (3 and 7 car sets were proposed in
VIA’s original planning presentations). Having these sets semi-permanently
coupled makes for a smoother ride, with less slack between cars, and also
allows for a wide, well-sealed, seamless connection between cars.
Interestingly, VIA has even opted to have the locomotives semi-permanently
coupled to the trainsets, though they have a standard knuckle coupler on the
front end for emergency rescues or combining sets into J-trains. While this
semi-permanent arrangement limits some flexibility in quickly adding or
removing cars, VIA has already been functionally operating on a trainset basis
for some time now, generally keeping the same sets of LRC or HEP equipment
together for Corridor operations.
The base trainset is made up of:
2200 Series - SCV-42 Locomotive
2600 Series - Car 1 - Venture Business Class (41 seats plus
2 accessible spaces. Single large washroom)
2700 Series - Car 2 - Venture Business Class (46 seats plus
1 accessible space. Two small washrooms)
2900 Series - Car 3 - Venture Economy Class (66 seats plus 1
accessible space. Accessible washroom and galley)
2800 Series - Car 4 - Venture Economy Class (62 seats plus 2
accessible spaces. Two washrooms, one accessible one small)
2300 Series - Car 5 - Venture Economy Class Cab Car (62
seats. Small washroom and galley)
Each Business class car has a full galley that can prepare
the Business class meal service. Cars 3 and 5 have small galleys that can
supply the car service for Economy class passengers. With the ease of moving
around on these trains, there is less of a need than ever to have a galley and
cart restocking facility in each car.
Galley in a Business class (2600 series) car. |
Small galley in a 2300-series cab car. Note the sliding glass doors, with large VIA branding on the glass. |
The first Venture set was delivered to VIA in September
2021, and underwent an extensive testing period, notably during the winter to
ensure the train could withstand the brutal Canadian conditions. A second set
was delivered in 2022, and then really started to ramp up in 2023. The first
revenue service began in late 2022, with once a week operation between Montreal
and Ottawa. This slowly expanded in early 2023, and by mid-way through the year
VIA had placed several sets in revenue operation. As of the time of writing
this post, VIA’s 16th set has been delivered (marking the official
half way point for fleet delivery!), and a steadily increasing number of the
sets are in regular revenue service. Nearly all trains between Quebec, Montreal
and Ottawa are now running with Ventures (set to be 100% as of May 27, 2024),
and a few Ottawa-Toronto and Montreal-Toronto trains are using them as well. Service
introduction into Southwestern Ontario seems to be planned for later this year,
and the full fleet is expected to be delivered by the fall of 2025.
Eric Gagnon has been keeping an updated listing of Venture
delivery status on his Trackside Treasure post here, and I’d encourage you to
check that out for a more comprehensive tracking. https://tracksidetreasure.blogspot.com/2024/01/via-ventures-in-service.html
I had a chance to get a first look inside a Venture train in
January 2023. I was in Montreal and was lucky enough to be able to arrange a
visit on a Tuesday morning when a revenue run was set to go out to Ottawa and
back. I wasn’t able to spare time for a ride, but a contact at VIA arranged for
a quick tour. I was quite impressed, and left very excited to actually ride a
train in service.
My first look at a SCV-42, and a Venture train in person! At Montreal's Gare Centrale in January 2023, about to depart on its once a week revenue round trip to Ottawa. |
A look inside the cab of VIA SCV-42 2202. |
It would be about 11 months later when I finally made my
first Venture trip, in December 2023. Once again finding myself in Montreal for
work, I managed to find some free time to make a quick round trip to
Drummondville and back. A week later, I made another trip on a Venture from
Montreal to Ottawa, as recounted near the end of this post. More recently, I rode two additional Ventures between Montreal and Ottawa, in
both Business and Economy classes.
So now that I’ve had a chance to do some touring and ride several
of these trains in service, I thought I’d give a bit of an interior overview,
highlight some features of the new trains, and also give my overall thoughts on
the ride.
Boarding the train
The differences with these new trains begin right at the
boarding doors. The exterior doors slide outwards and along the car side,
similar to the plug doors on Renaissance equipment, but notably, the door is
taller and the entire step trap is enclosed by the plug door. This means that
both the vestibule and steps are weather sealed, preventing incursion of cold
air and snow during the winter. At low platforms, a step trap lifts to expose
several built-in steps, and an additional pair of steps extend and lower
externally to allow easy access to low platforms. These steps were extensively
tested ahead of delivery, including mounting a set of steps underneath a
baggage car to see how they would handle snow and ice build up while in regular
service. Steps seem to be shorter than on previous equipment (except perhaps
the Renaissance cars), so boarding is quite easy. There are also built-in
wheelchair lifts in some cars, which allows for passengers with wheelchairs or
mobility issues to board much more easily at any station.
The most notable difference entering the car is that the
vestibule area feels much less industrial than older VIA equipment. There is
also a lot more room to move around, which becomes very noticeable when getting
off at a station and working around other passengers.
Each vestibule door also has a digital display in the lower
half of the window, showing the train, destination, and car number. This makes
it easier than ever to find your way to the right car. The doors slide open
along the outside of the carbody, so the signs are always visible.
High-level boarding in Montreal. |
Passengers use one of the low platforms in Ottawa for boarding. This is typical of the experience at most stations in the Corridor. |
High level entry into a Business class car. Note how open and spacious the vestibule area is. |
Interior features
Space, space, and more space!
One very noticeable thing in these new trains is just how
much space there is. The wide aisles make it extremely easy to move around
inside, and just like the vestibule areas, all spaces through the train feel
much more open and less industrial than past trains. Between cars, the gangways
are wide, open, and seamless, aided in large part by the semi-permanent
couplings between the cars. Unlike older trains, you’d hardly know that you
were even moving between cars.
Sliding glass end doors operate on motion sensors, so you never
have to touch or push open a door when moving between cars.
Business class interior layout - particularly spacious. |
Despite the 2+2 layout in Economy, the cars are still very open and easy to move around. |
Very wide spaces throughout, and ample accessible accommodation. |
That's no LRC! Note just how wide and open even the galleys are, as seen here in a 2900-series car. |
Luggage space
Overhead luggage racks are open, with glass underneath so you
can see where items are. There is also space under each seat for storing items.
VIA has signage up in stations indicating where they want you to put your bags
on these trains.
There are large luggage racks at the ends of each car (and
in the middle of the cab car) that can accommodate larger suitcases. Some of
these also fold up to provide bike storage space, though VIA is not offering bike
space until enough of the new trains are in service to guarantee people can
book these trains in both directions on a given trip.
One major critique of these trains is the shortage of large
luggage space when compared to VIA’s legacy equipment. A new baggage policy
introduced (and promptly scaled back) last year seemed to be the response to
facilitate this, which was not popular with passengers. How VIA will handle
this longer term remains to be seen.
Large luggage space at the blank end of a 2600-series Business car. Racks on the left side will lift up to allow for bike storage. |
Baggage instructions for new trains. |
Digital Displays and automated announcements
There are digital displays all over the place throughout the
car, which show the last and next stops, train and car number, current speed,
and washroom status. There are even displays in the washrooms themselves. Announcements
for safety features and next stops are provided automatically, and displayed on
displays in both official languages as the announcements are made. Interestingly,
announcements seem to be provided in French first and English second when in
Quebec, and English first and French second when in Ontario.
The displays and automated announcements worked reliably on each
of the trains I rode.
Digital displays show a variety of information throughout the trip. |
No worries about losing track of where you are while in the washroom! |
Washrooms
Every car in the consist has at least one washroom, and 2700
and 2800 series cars each have two. Some washrooms are large and fully
accessible, while others are smaller and comparable to the space provided in
older VIA equipment, though their layout is quite different. Everything in each
washroom seems well laid out, with bright lighting, easy to use controls, and
automatic faucets. As noted above, there are also digital displays in each
washroom.
Outside of the washrooms in most cars are small fold-down
seats mounted along the wall. These can be used when waiting for a free space,
as well as by crew members (particularly in the case of those adjacent to the
galleys).
Large accessible washroom, with powered door. |
Interior of an accessible washroom. |
Automatic sink and soap dispenser, and overall nice, bright layout. |
Smaller washroom in a 2300-series cab car. |
Smaller washroom in a 2800-series car. This is directly adjacent to the larger accessible washroom. |
Trash and recycling
These cars have trash and recycling bins near the washrooms.
Unlike the old trains, there don’t appear to be provisions for trash bags at
each seat, which is likely a good thing for overall cleanliness.
Trash and recycling bins next to the washrooms on a 2800-series car. Note small flip-down seats ahead near the vestibule. |
Entering a 2600-series Business class car - note trash and recycling on the left. |
WiFi
The on board WiFi service is supposed to be much improved on
these new trains. I only experimented with it briefly, but it definitely seemed
to work much better than on previous Corridor trains.
New WiFi landing screen. |
Windows
The windows on this train are large and at a good height to facilitate wide views and a bright atmosphere. They aren't quite as big as the old LRC windows, but they're still quite adequate. The windows have pull down shades, which are not entirely opaque.
This is nice, because it allows you to still see out of the window while also
cutting down on the sun glare. This takes away some of the issue with blinds,
where one passenger pulling one down ruins the view for others sharing that
window!
Emergency windows have a new design on these trains. Instead of the old hammer, there is a mechanism to pull out the gasket and remove the whole window pane. I also noticed that there is a very subtly different tint to the emergency windows, though you'd be hard pressed to see that without looking at two windows side by side.
Large windows. The roll-down shade isn't really visible, but you can just see the pull bar at the very top. |
Window views. In Business class, seats are away from the window so you have a rather nice view to the windows ahead of you as well. |
Emergency exit instructions. |
Lighting
One very noticeable thing right away is that these trains
are very bright inside. I was initially worried that this might be very
unpleasant at night, a bit more akin to riding in transit/commuter equipment. I
was pleased to see that the trains do have a dimmer/warmer lighting mode, which
is activated upon departing the origin station. This makes it much more
comfortable onboard when riding during the early morning or evening after dark.
Seats
Seats are a major item on any train. Nice train with lousy
seats? Doesn’t make for a good ride. Fortunately, I’ve found the seats on these
trains are quite good. They are certainly an improvement from the recent
generation of VIA seats in the refurbished LRC/HEP2 equipment. They are firm,
but more cushioned than those other seats. Legroom is quite good in both classes,
and space side to side is excellent even in Economy class. Wide winged headrests,
coupled with moveable headrest cushions, add a nice touch. The seats have some
recline and don’t encroach on the space behind.
All seats have large and extremely sturdy fold-down tray
tables, which are a huge improvement from any previous version on VIA.
All seats have a plethora of power outlets, with both
standard plugs and USB charging ports. There are also reading lights above each
seat, with bright LEDs aimed at the particular seat in question. Each seat also
has a handle near the headrest, which is helpful when walking through the train
in motion.
All seats feature large winged headrests, and adjustable cushion. VIA branding on each headrest is a nice touch. |
Seat-window alignment varies on these trains. Some seats are well aligned, as seen here, but some are very poor. Another Venture train can be seen zipping by outside. |
Large, sturdy seat-back trays. |
Economy class seating. These seats are identical to those in Business class, but have less space between each seat. |
Economy class seats. Those headrests sure are nice! Note the grab handles on each seat as well. |
Economy vs. Business Class
The biggest difference between economy and business class
cars in these trains is the seating layout. Both classes use the same physical
seats, but Business class are spaced out in 2+1 configuration. In both classes, half of the seats face in each direction, as the trains are set up to operate bidirectionally. As with the
current VIA service offering, business class also offers a full meal and drink
service, handled from the galley at the end of each car. Economy class offers drink and snack service from a cart as usual, with a variety of items available for purchase. Business class also has a new feature on these trains - 4-person "privacy pods", which are meant to facilitate on-board meetings with greater privacy.
Overall 2+1 seat layout in Business class. |
On the 2-seat side, there is extra space between seats in Business. |
Large privacy partitions are included between seats. Note as well the footrests, which are only offered in Business. |
An example of Business class breakfast. |
An example of a Business class lunch meal. |
As always, Business class also includes snacks and drink service - check out the new VIA branded glassware! |
Cab car
One new and unique element of these trains is the cab car,
which allows trainsets to operate in either direction without being turned.
This allows for better fleet utilization, and most importantly, it allows for
through Quebec-Montreal-Ottawa trains to run without having to back out of
Central station in Montreal to change direction, thereby cutting time out of
the schedule. The cab cars themselves are rather neat – they are effectively an
economy class coach with a cab identical to the SCV-42 grafted on to the end.
From what I’ve heard, crews quite enjoy the quiet and smooth ride when
operating from that end.
I have yet to ride in a cab car when leading, so I can’t
speak to the ride quality, but I did ride one on a trailing trip and found it no different from another coach.
There is also a bit of a view through the door behind the
cab, which passengers can look through (though standing there for long periods
of time is surely not recommended!) You can see a bit of a view when trailing at
the end of my video below.
View through the glass window into the cab (trailing). |
Cab car interior. Note the mid-car luggage racks. |
Entry into a 2300-series cab car. Note the small galley, water bottle fill station ahead to the left, small luggage space, and additional luggage racks toward the middle of the car. |
Interior of a VIA Venture cab car. Note how the layout is identical to the interior of the locomotives. [Photo taken with permission during guided tour] |
Ride Quality
On the trips I made, the ride quality seemed to be extremely
smooth. The trains are much quieter than LRCs or HEP2s. The new SCV-42
locomotives are also extremely quiet, so even when riding in the Business class
car next to the locomotive you can barely hear the engine. Even the horn is
much less audible. The ride itself also seems much smoother than legacy
equipment. Some people have commented on noticing a lot of horizontal sway. I
didn’t find this particularly noticeable on my trips thus far, certainly not
any more than other VIA equipment.
Overall Thoughts
As I mentioned at the start of this post, the acquisition of
new trains is a rare thing in Canada, and it’s likely that (aside from
long-haul fleet replacement, which has just been given the go-ahead in the 2024
federal budget), there won’t be other new equipment for VIA until this fleet
wears out, likely in ~30 years’ time. With everything being replaced with a
single, uniform fleet, it’s more important than ever that this equipment be
well done, since we’ll be stuck with it for the long term; so I am particularly
glad, having had some time to observe and ride these trains, to say that it
looks like VIA has sourced a real winner.
The trains aren’t perfect. There is a shortage of luggage
space, which I hope can eventually be at least partially rectified by adding
some modular luggage units. Some seats don’t align well with the windows, but
if VIA eventually offers a better seating map showing window alignment, this
could be addressed when selecting seats. I’m also among those that would love a
return to some sort of café/lounge car, instead of only at-seat food service
(though I know VIA is settled on their current service model).
But overall, those seem to me to be fairly minor issues. The overall look, feel, comfort, and passenger experience on these trains is impressive, and a major step up from the legacy equipment in many ways. Not only do the trains feel modern, but they feel like VIA really went to great lengths to customize the design to meet their specific service needs. I’ll be sad to see the end of the LRCs, but will look forward to many years of enjoyable rides on these new trains!
Now that VIA also has the go ahead to buy new trains for their long distance services, I hope that we'll soon be seeing progress towards a similarly modern era for VIA services from coast to coast - of course with consideration to the kinds of amenities that make those trains truly unique and enjoyable to ride.
An SCV-42 locomotive in push mode, departing Drummondville in December 2023. |
Accelerating away with markers lit, the future of VIA's Corridor trains heads away on a snowy morning. I'll look forward to seeing (and riding!) many more of these as the years go on. |
Interesting and well written information - These trainses are a huge travel improvement !
ReplyDeleteVery informative, complete and enjoyable !
ReplyDeleteGreat review, well done..really appreciate your effort....hope to ride the new & fang-dangled soon....now, let's do consider possible downside(s) to having only one dedicated manufacturer... remember the 1981 to 1984 Bombardier built LRC. Metal fatigue axle issues 1992 resulted in all LRC's withdrawn from service. And emergency repairs. (fortunately happened at a lower traffic time (late winter early spring). Major service disruption. Major Panic! (and of course the media has a field day bashing VIA and Bombardier). Fortunately VIA had some 1954 'blue' steam heated CC&F coaches in inventory to cover. And VIA borrowed GO bi levels to sub for LRC's on the SW Ontario routes. (Ironically VIA did not 'take' the only modern equipment which was sold to D&RGW: the HS built Tempo cars (which more ironically are back in Canada as the Agawa Canyon train). VIA should retain some LRC equipment (and motive power) as 'back up'...but will they?
ReplyDeleteI'm not inferring that the Venture sets will have axle problems...with anything new anything can happen as new equipment is 'worn in'....
What is the likelihood any new equipment today will out last the 1940's engineered rail equipment? Different era. Different standards. On the upside, the 1970's HS designed GO bilevels are holding up well - although many have already been through major (mechanical) rebuilds...
How rugged are the Cummins-powered “Charger” locomotives? Remains TBD. Yes been in service in the US for a while, but primarily in regions that do not experience the ( Quebec especially ) winter conditions....and several reported Amtrak incidences where Chargers failed on the Empire Builder (northern US plains) do to severe conditions. I do foresee F40's pulling disabled Venture power units in a deep freeze - if that is possible, see Q.
Q: can a Venture unit be MU'd? (you do state Venture's have standard couplers) There are good reasons to operate VIA trains with multiple power units...
Can a Venture unit be MU's with a another Venture unit? (likely not if no B end coupler) Problem.
Are Venture sets compatible (electrically, MU) with existing rolling stock? (if not that is a huge mistake / engineering / planning faux pas.)
Major faux pas: semi permanent coupling. this will be a problem as equipment ages, as well as being able to mix new and legacy equipment types - for service reliability and flexibility it is important to retain compatibility between manufacturer types !
And a lack of adequate luggage space is inexcusable!
And your thoughts on the possibility of Venture type equipment for overnight LD trains?
OH, IMO the best riding ( legacy ) equipment: the six axle CN 5200 and 5300 series coaches (circa 1928-1947) and even some 5400 series (circa 1950) were six axle ( a lot of these coaches handled the 60's 70's steam excursions). BTW the CPR built 2200 series coaches were four axles and the ride was exceptionally good....
thanks for doing the review / blog! Looking forward to seeing updates and comments.
sdfourty.
Thanks for the comments! In terms of issues with a single manufacturer, I suppose on the other side of that you can point to the value of having a uniform fleet with only a single consistent set of parts to inventory and maintain, and consistent maintenance at both MMC and TMC - plus the consistency for crews and passengers. VIA's historic hodge-podge of equipment was less a deliberate choice, and much more a result of circumstance and making do with what they could!
DeleteCan a Venture unit be MU'd with another? Yes, they have standard couplers on both the locomotive and cab car, and are set up to be able to run as joined trains. They are also supposed to be able to be coupled with legacy equipment at the very least for deadhead moves (shifting equipment between maintenance centres), locomotive rescues (if an F40 is required). I'm not sure if a Venture set can be directly MU'd with, say, an LRC set as a J-train but the days of that being an option are limited anyway.
Semi-permanent couplings are always a trade-offs, but I am of the mind that the benefits in terms of accessibility, ride quality, and overall passenger experience are worthwhile. It reduces flexibility somewhat, but when VIA eventually finds themselves getting newer equipment further down the line, inter-mixing them with the existing Ventures doesn't seem like an ideal solution anyway. As I noted, VIA has also already been operating their Corridor trains effectively as trainsets with minimal swapping of cars (except at maintenance centres, which can be done with a Venture set anyway), so operationally this will be much as they have already been operating, just moving to a 100% uniform and fully compatible fleet across the whole Corridor.
Re: the Chargers - Amtrak has had issues, but VIA did extensive winter testing with theirs and hasn't seemed to have any critical issues yet. I wonder if the long term service agreements with Siemens might be helpful on that front...
Ventures for overnight LD trains? Good question, and I really do wonder if Siemens will bid with a version of that on the upcoming VIA procurement. They are pretty swamped with the current order books, and the Venture platform has a fair bit of customization but only really two car shells (one coach, one cab car), so not sure how keen they'd be to offer the multitude of designs needed for LD services (multiple sleeper types, dining cars, lounge cars, LD coaches, baggage cars, etc.). But who knows! Will be interesting to watch in the coming months.
Great review Tim. Globally, I agree with your review. Maybe it's because I didn't ride a canadian train recently (I think the last time I took the train in Canada was seven or eight years ago), however, when I made a ride last January, I was a little disappointed with the ride quality and I found it definitively not as smooth as what I experimented with the Railjet or other recent European trains, but maybe it has been to long so I didn't remember well how bouncy was a ride with LRC, HEP2 or Renaissance train.
ReplyDeleteI would be curious to ride the Brightline on the new dedicated tracks to Orlando airport to see how it compare to ride on a dedicated track versus the CN tracks that are likely maintain for long freight train in priority and not for fast passengers trains.
Also you said that the Venture are there for at least 30 years. Normally, I will agree with you, however, if the rail frequency project go ahead with a real high speed line (something like 300 km/h or even more) then I doubt that the Venture train could be use for that and probably a new dedicated equipment would be needed. However, if they stick with the original plan of a 200 km/h speed limit, then probably the Venture sets could be used, maybe with some adjustment, since there design maximum speed is 200 km/h. I don't know however if the Charger locomotive could be easily converted to dual mode or electric operation or if they will need to replace it anyway with a real electric locomotive. I know however that, if the project really go ahead it will probably not be before at least before 15 years ...
I was also surprise to see that, at least from now, the Venture are limited to P+ category speed limits. I don't know if it's a temporary limit and if VIA will get the authorization to go at least at LRC speed in a near future. It's not such a huge difference, but in some stretch LRC speed is 10 miles faster than P+ speed.
Thanks, Jean-Yves. I'll admit that I don't have European experience to compare to, and I don't doubt that dedicated passenger ROW would ride much better than the CN (or even VIA-owned) trackage. The Renaissance equipment can ride pretty okay, but the ride quality is noticeably bad over the trucks. The HEP2s and refurbished HEP1s can be very nice, *if* the trucks have recently been shopped (the refurbed HEP1s are great for this, very nice ride on the Ocean). My last couple LRC rides were pretty atrocious, but I'll have a couple more soon and curious to see if the ones being kept in service are any better. By comparison, I found the Ventures definitely seem to be a step up, and are both noticeably quieter and lacking in any slack action, thanks to the couplings. One of my last LRC rides was on a top-and-tail set where the locomotives seemed a touch out of sync, and the lurching back and forth with slack was particularly bad.
DeleteFor HFR/HSR - who knows what will happen there, if anything does at all. With the pace that is moving, the Ventures will have a long life ahead of them regardless of what trains are needed for that system. The initial order with Siemens did talk about the potential for future electrification, but it was never clear if that meant a modification to the existing Chargers or a swap for entirely new electric versions. In any case, I also expect the government is likely to continue its trend of being rather stingy with major capital investments for VIA.
I'm curious about the P+ speed restrictions as well. I seem to recall talk about these sets being intended to be authorized for LRC speeds, but I suppose there needs to be some agreement from CN and/or Transport Canada. Perhaps more service testing will get us there? One would certainly hope they could be authorized to make as much use of their potential top speed as possible!
Thanks for this all-encompassing and richly-illustrated post, Tim. You've obviously been there, read that, and it's an essential primer for anyone interested in Siemens' latest. I'll be linking to it in an upcoming Venture viewing post.
ReplyDeleteThanks also for keeping it factual and fair, without unnecessary speculation or comparison to past, present or future. Great work!
Eric
Thanks for this very detailed, informative post, Tim. I would love to ride these trains someday. They seem very much like some of the European trains I've ridden, although the Venture amenities seem better than most European short haul trains.
ReplyDeleteThis is just an excellent, thorough, well written, and well illustrated post. Thank you so much!
ReplyDeleteThanks for this, we rode the new equipment as VIA 22 Montreal to Quebec on May 15, I noticed and commented to my spouse about the strange lateral movement in the cars. I'm a frequent Amtrak rider and am a volunteer engineer and conductor at a railway museum so have experience with everything from 1920s era Pullman clerestory cars, to Budd RDCs as well as some private equipment. It seemed odd.
ReplyDeleteThe idea that 50% of the passengers on any train are riding backwards is moronic. I know VIA claims it eliminates turn around time, but VIA does,t run enough trains a day to make turn around time an issue. I remember when coach seats could be set in either direction so if they did not turn the car around you could turn the seat around.
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